Is 64 bit really better?

[BamaPanda]

Waiting on my new 64 bit Cube T9, and I got to wondering ...why 64 bit in an Android device?

A bit of help here ...

http://www.androidcentral.com/why-64-bit-processors-really-matter-android

I am thinking Cube is the first ..outside of Intel powered devices - to make this move. Be interesting how quick others will follow.

Please comment if you have extra info regarding this.

[giouncino]

All cortex A53 and Cortex A57 are latest SoC based on 64 bits ARM architectures, all processors by Qualcomm, NVidia, Samsung and so on that produce chip based on these architectures are obviously 64 bits
Qualcom snapdragon series x10 (410, 810) are 64 bits architectures too
Apple A7 (SoC of iPad Air) and A8 (SoC of iPad air 2 and iPhone 6) are based on a 64bit architecture
Intel bay trail are x86/x64 architectures, always 64 bit but a little bit different than models above

As for personal computers (now on market there are ONLY 64bit capable CPUs), in the next future (i suppose already on 2015) amost all SoC brands will switch on 64 bit architectures.

[BamaPanda]

Thanks. Good info.

I did look some more, and yes ...I see the 64 bit mentioned regarding Nexus, Samsung and other major players, but in our sandbox of China tabs ...say of Onda, Teclast, Ainol, Chuwi, ...on and on ..
.....
IS Cube the first to use Cortex 53?

Here is another article of interest.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/30/3576560/arm-cortex-a57-cortex-a53-cpu-core

Also here is a list from Merimobiles. Wow. Lots of China tabs!

• ICOO
• Mini One
• PIPO
• Samsung
• Acho
• Ainol
• Ampe
• Aoson
• Bmorn
• Chuwi
• Colorfly
• Cube
• Fly One
• FNF ifive
• Freelander
• GALAXY
• HKC
• Huawei
• Hyundai
• JXD
• Lenovo
• Newman
• Newsmy
• Nextbook
• NO.1
• Onda
• ONN
• PAD Phone
• Ployer
• Ramos
• SANEI
• SmartQ
• Teclast
• VOYO
• Window

Some of these use the Intel Atom Z3735D, thus gaining 64 bit with Win.8.1. Still, Cube looks to be a pioneer right now with the MTK8752.

KEWL!

[giouncino]

yes, you're right.
cube is forward wrt other chinese competitors, both in terms of build quality and newer SoC used in their tablets.
I think that if they continue in such direction could have a brilliant future

[hammerjoe]

yes, you're right.
cube is forward wrt other chinese competitors, both in terms of build quality and newer SoC used in their tablets.
I think that if they continue in such direction could have a brilliant future

The question is will the tablet live long enough to use the 64bit architecture? Will Cube release lollipop 64bit for this tablet or will it release new tablets in the meantime and leave this one behind which begs the question,is it worth to pay the extra money compared to the 9x?

[giouncino]

I think t9 will probably receive a lollipop release, it's too new to be abandoned by cube

I think and hope cube talk 9x will receive it too (even if could run on 32bit only on it)

[hammerjoe]

I think t9 will probably receive a lollipop release, it's too new to be abandoned by cube

I think and hope cube talk 9x will receive it too (even if could run on 32bit only on it)

Has anyone compared the two face to face to see how they perform?
I not sure that if both tablets get upgraded to lollipop that we will see an increase in the performance difference between the two.

From my experience I have always tried to get hardware that would be future proof but when the future came the hardware was not good enough anymore and I end up having to buy new hardware to handle the new stuff.

[giouncino]

At the moment CPU part performance difference is 15-20% advantage for T9, for GPU should be more than 50%.
On lollipop, who knows?
I suppose that is negligible...

[BamaPanda]

Heres the thing.

The MTK8752 is 64 bit, yet still handles all 32 bit out there. At least that is what I read.

Plus 64 bit gives an automatic increase in performance; plus the T760 MP2 GPU gives a leg up over the GPU in the 9X, or other tabs that use a lesser GPU.

I was about to go with the 9X again till the link for geekbuying came up.

Hey ....209 for a 9X at Mermobiles, or 242.00 for a tab that is really future proof. For me it was a no-brainer. I would be watching constantly about all the advances in 64 bit as all the other makers came on board.

And I really do see Cube quality lasting for a long time. That is, unless I tear it up like I did my prior 9X!

[BamaPanda]

H-joe ...
I thought you had decided that you needed to go smaller than a 9.7". Has the lure of the bigger screen brought you back for more?

Listen. If 9.7" is good for you ...you can't go wrong with either the 9X or the T9.

Cube is and has been proving itself in quality and their attention to upgrading for thier customer ...so Lollipop surely will come to both.

If there is anything I don't like about the MTK part, it is that they must be a bit harder to hack. I was still searching for easy root access for Kitkat 4.4.4 before the 9X hit the concrete.

That too will come ...the custom stuff. I have no doubt!

[hammerjoe]

What about this one
CUBE I6 Intel Z3735F

http://www.banggood.com/Cube-I6-Intel-Z3735F-Quad-Core-9_7-Inch-Android-4_4-Phone-Tablet-p-959031.html

How does it stack against the T9?

[BamaPanda]

I almost went for the i6 to maybe use Win 8.1. That was until I spent some time with a Surface tablet. It just seemed convoluted and hard to use. Plus it is my understanding the Intel part is geared more toward performance and less efficient.
I had plenty of oomph in the 9X. More battery time appealed to me.

[hammerjoe]

I want to run Android and not Windows but at least with the Cube I6 that could be an option down the road.

I dont know much about Intel and how it performs overall but its a 64bit cpu so future proof right?
Plus theres pretty good chances of getting lollipop because it is already available in other tablets/phones with Intel processors.
It also cheaper than the t9 and that could be significant.

Another thing that is concerning for me is the sensors or lack off.

On the Banggood site they have a screenshot from the Antutu sensors page and this device is missing alot of them.
How important are they for a tablet and for gaming?

[giouncino]

this is what I wrote about Intel bayTrail CPU (as the one installed on cube i6):

Don't agonize that much,
intel Z37xx are good SoC (performance in the range of RK3288, only a little bit better than MT8392) but with some bad points:
- high battery drain (on cube i6 with a intel Z37xx and 9.7" battery life doesn't go over 6h, it's unacceptable for a new tablet in my opinion)

- app compatibility problems, all intel x86 chip on Android are incompatible with many apps

- lack of 4G support

Lack of flash support on android is not a big issue, all internet sites are (slowly) switching on HTML5, I think that in the near future this will be no more a problem!

That's why I can tell you:
don't wait for core-M: they will cost too much for some years (unfortunately), and MT8752 is good and already on the market. If you like it, buy that tablet! I'm sure it is a good deal now, one of the best on the chinese market, with a reasonable price (200-210€ for a cube T9 32Gb, is good, and now is only 10-15€ more than a cube talk 9x 32Gb that I still consider an EXCELLENT product, I own a cube talk 9x 16Gb paid 160€ and like it soo much!).

I suggest you to go on an ARM architecture (as cube talk 9x, cube talk 79, cube T9 anc cube T7 are) if you are not interested to have windows on your tablet.

[giouncino]

Heres the thing.

The MTK8752 is 64 bit, yet still handles all 32 bit out there. At least that is what I read.

Plus 64 bit gives an automatic increase in performance; plus the T760 MP2 GPU gives a leg up over the GPU in the 9X, or other tabs that use a lesser GPU.

I was about to go with the 9X again till the link for geekbuying came up.

Hey ....209 for a 9X at Mermobiles, or 242.00 for a tab that is really future proof. For me it was a no-brainer. I would be watching constantly about all the advances in 64 bit as all the other makers came on board.

And I really do see Cube quality lasting for a long time. That is, unless I tear it up like I did my prior 9X!

Of course ALL 64bit SoC CAN HANDLE 32bit code!
No, 64bit doesn't atomatically increase performance, it is true only in theory (more bandwidth), the real benefits on 64bit is that:
on devices that use 64bit operative systems can be installed more than 4Gb of RAM, and can handle 64bit native code. In that devices, also 32bit apps can be used without problems.

that's all.