4PDA Users - Please do not steal my work! NO posting on file sharing sites please!

[Finless]

Folks, I cannot believe this set of PM's has come to me.

First I get a request from the forum owner (or user) of 4PDA asking to "mirrior" my ROMs on stupid file sharing sites. Not sure any of you know, but I hate those places! So my answer was no. Now, I know it's hard to deal with it when it happens BUT WHEN A FORUM OWNER TELLS ME HE IS GOING TO ALLOW IT ANYWAY AND CANT STOP IT!

That is total, BS!!!!!

Forum owners ARE responsible for what their users POSTS!
The fact that he says "I tried to reason with them" is bullshit!

FreakTab.com does not allow people to post about piracy as many other "good" forums DO NOT! YET, I just got threatened by a FORUM USER or OWNER that he cant stop it so I better live with it. TOTAL BS!

Here is the PM and I will hold it as legal proof!

Thanks for your answer. I personally understand your concerns. And I love to go here to read all the information provided and download Your roms from original location. But lets face the facts. There are lots of people , who would not like to register on yet another forum to download something. And those people will mirror your roms anyway.I tried to reason them, but Its pity, I dont have a leverage against their will. So I think, its right place to say: "If you cant stop it - lead it". I mean that the approved post with right information about your forum, links to the original files and mirrors is much better, than nothing in terms of popularisation of your forum. Please reconsider, I think it would be better for both freaktab and 4pda. Thank You very much.

So this is how other forum owners run their house?
They absolutely HAVE the leverage to STOP piracy of others work! It's called moderation and rules! In fact they are legally obligated to do so! Naive forum owners may think "well I am not hosting the bad content so I am not responsble" is total bullshit! If they are supporting discussing, linking, and condoning piracy, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE!

So now I have to deal with this
I have been threatened by a forum owner that my ROMs will be mirriored on file sharing sites on HIS FORUM!
I take this seriously. Thus now instead of focusing on working on ROMs for all you, I have to spend time dealing with this bullshit!


My personal ask..... If you have any scruples or morals, please do NOT support 4PDA forum! They obviously don't give a rats ass about anyone or how they manage their users. I AM VERY OFFENDED!

Bottom line, action will be taken! I do not take lightly threats especially by forum owners that should know better!

Друзья в России, пожалуйста, не украсть мою работу. У меня есть один простой спросить за работу, я делаю для всех. Пожалуйста, дайте мне принадлежит моя работа и не загружать свою работу в другие места. Это не трудно спросите это? Пожалуйста, уважайте меня и что я делаю для всех людей. Я только прошу, это одно, а я надеюсь, что вы можете уважать спросить?
Спасибо,
боб


Bob

[Meneer]

I agree with them about 'another damn account just to download the files'. Considering they are russian several to maybe even plenty of them might not even know enough english to be using your forum. BUT these are your files, your rights, and they are indeed by law bound to stop their users from pirating your work. But once again, they are in russia :-/

The real issue however, is that anyone can just make 'Bobless Fin v1.0'. Just like tuen uses alot of your work and adds a bit here and there and calls it Vondroid Rom. He is making it clear that his rom is based on yours. Any russian could do the same thing, add some russian crap and honestly state most of his rom is based on your work and add a link to freaktab, how would you feel about that?

I understand your frustration considering he is being a total asshole and at the very least he should take his damn responsibility, but the truth is, in the end, the people that really appreciate your work, will be right here. Including some 4PDA members! The ones that dont, would never bring anything to the table here anyway.

[Silver_Johnes]

Bob, narod.ru is "Russian google:'s free file sharing site, it's not as stupid as you may assume. It is pretty weel known and used.

btw I hope they gonna listen to you if it is so important to you. you work is appreciated on our community. We are pretty big and could not cease to support ourselves, because 4pda is the main pda community in russia.

I'd assume to call 4pda an official mirror of anything goes on android scene for all ex-ussr users.

[Finless]

Meneer, I completely understand. This is not my first rodeo. www.helifreak.com
I have done over 2000 videos teaching how to build and fly RC Helicopters.

But when a forum owner tells me he wont stop or even try and I better go with the flow? I take offense. He is allowing it so he gets traffic PERIOD! Normally if I saw my content hosted on something like this I would not spend the time. Trust I have been asked many times by other forums if they could host my content and when they did not get the answer they wanted, they at least obliged and followed my ask.

Just because the froum is in Russia means nothing. I have been down this road before and I have taken action even in Russia! ISP's have to take things like this seriosuly or they get cut off! I know how to deal with it.

As for others taking my ROMs and doing things to them and making thier own. Since I have been doing this, I have only had one site blantently take my stuff and rip it off. I stopped them! Everyone else has been very nice, respectful, and for the most part respected my wishes. I do not mind if someone takes my work and "adds" to it. And 99.9% of the time they give credit and do the right thing. I do understand how this works. What I do not like is being threatened by a Web site that CAN do the right thing but refuses so they can get the traffic.



Bob

[Finless]

Bob, narod.ru is "Russian google:'s free file sharing site, it's not as stupid as you may assume. It is pretty weel known and used.

btw I hope they gonna listen to you if it is so important to you. you work is appreciated on our community. We are pretty big and could not cease to support ourselves, because 4pda is the main pda community in russia.

I'd assume to call 4pda an official mirror of anything goes on android scene in Russia.

Thank you Silver_Johnes. I don't ask much for my love to make ROMs for people. So I hope my wish is respected by everyone. I do not think it is much to ask?

Enjoy,
Bob

[Damo]

This just shows weak management and poor moral standards.

If this is his way of beefing up his membership to his site than maybe a better idea would be to get some original ideas of his own and grow a pair.

As a moderator myself I am not bullied by anyone, Bob and Will can tell you that and always try to moderate in a fair manner

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[Silver_Johnes]

I'd offer to calmly ask what is in you interests in this situation. If you'll not going to find any agreement, this will automatically meant no agreement, but why couldn't you find it?

It was just convienent to upload fw there, because not everyone there understand english words, you know? We also translating instructions, and there is no way it is going to stop or move to this board. But there is the way to find a well agreement for all, I believe.

[Finless]

I'd offer to calmly ask what is in you interests in this situation. If you'll not going to find any agreement, this will automatically means no agreement, but why couldn't you?

I will explain.

1) I prefer people to get my stuff here. This way they know what they are getting. When I first started doing this I saw people download ROMs from file sharing sites there were OLD and possibly BRICK thier tablet! Then other people would upload the ROM to file sharing that is bad, modified, and NOT the owners ROM they wanted people to experience!

2) I hate file sharing sites! SPAM, constant "buy premium", slow downloads, etc. Trust me, if a file sharing site gives up the internet bandwidth, THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING IN RETURN! Giving you ads they make money on, Personal information, things about YOU, whatever. NO WAY even Google is going to give away that bandwidth without getting something in return!
So for me, this is my work! Why should I allow someone else to get something for my work just because they are hosting the file? I much prefer I get something for my work NOT some other place! That "something" for me is knowing people are coming here, enjoying my site, and getting what they need!

3) I want to grow this site too! Like any forum owner they are looking to grow and possibly ONE DAY at least break even! It's a tough business! So why should I allow another site to profit from my work? I mean think about it. Yes Forums are for information sharing with others! Users love them because they are free and people learn and share with each other. But lets get down to BRASS TACKS! Eventually the owners want to try and make a buck too! Look at all the ads on 4pda.ru! Get real if you think that forums exists just for fun!


Make sense now?

Bob

[Sergey]

Silver_Johnes
Да что ему объяснять? Человек не хочет понимать сложившуюся ситуацию.
Если Половина людей после регистрации так же не могут скачать, только потому что для того чтобы скачать нужно при вводе логина и пароля поставить галочку remember me, а без нее нифига не качает - это бред.)

Выхода два
1) или Боб соглашается и понимает, что это просто необходимость так делать и никто его прошивку не переделывает, т.е. она поставляется как есть!.

2) или Боб снимает ограничение на своем форуме и дает возможность скачивать без регистрации. тогда и нет смысла перезаливать ее.

P.S.
водка дружба балалайка..))

[Finless]

and there is no way it is going to stop or move to this board. But there is the way to find a well agreement for all, I believe.

Really? No way to stop? You take my personal work and post it... trust... I will make it stop! And it will not be good for everyone if I have to go to that level! Again a threat! Not sure you understand me and threats! But keep this up and you will.

I appreceate the translation of instructions and help you give to non-English speaking people! Thats great! Keep doing that! But there is NO REASON to STEAL others work and disrespect the persons wishes! You can do the translation and help without putting my files on file sharing sites!!! I mean come on. That is not a good excuse to disrespect an authors wishes!

Bob

[Sergey]

Finless

1) Как я могу получить данный материал, если я не знаю английский язык и не понимаю, о чем вы здесь пишите?. Да и об вашей проблеме, можно просто написать, что Самая свежая версия находится на сайте freaktab.com или что-то типо такого. И человек сам решит откуда что ему качать.

1а) По вашей логике, если имеются 30 человек которые разрабатывают прошивки, то человек должен быть зарегистрирован везде, знать все 30 языков и разбираться во всем, для того чтобы попробовать их? А не проще собрать все прошивки в одном месте и на общедоступном языке обсуждать (сравнивать) их?

2). Ресурс narod.ru является бесплатным (нет премиум аккаунтов и т.д.) а так же имеет очень много локальных провайдеров. Сами провайдеры платят за то что иметь локальную связь с narod.ru (yandex.ru)

3) какой смысл нахождения здесь людей которые не знают и не понимают английский язык? или вам важно кол-во регистраций, а не нахождение реальных пользователей? Так давайте я вам лично зарегистрирую 100 человек или 200? сколько вам нужно ботов?..

Теперь вам понятны причины почему происходит такое?

[Silver_Johnes]

Agreement is agreement. You should relate with, at least, N101' threads moderators/watchers (yes, we have those).
I see no obstacles to fulfill the wish you stated, upon your insistance.

[Meneer]

Offtopic:

Lol, knew your name was familiar somehow.. (Heli's)

Still cant fly my shit properly though

[nomadmax]

Hi Bob.
We have a big misunderstanding here. There were no threatens of any kind. May be it is just a translation difficulties. First of all, unfortunatele, I am not a 4pda owner . Not an admin or moderator or any of the 4pda officials. Just one of thousands of 4pda forum users. Second. I am totally on your side in this situation. I was one of the users who did not agree with those, who just mirrored results of your work with no credits and no copyrights complied. You can read the topic on 4pda if you want. I was trying to find consensus between You and those of 4pda users, who think that it's better to just share your ROMs and be done with it. So Bob, Your reaction to my plea is a emotional a little to much. Really. Sorry for this misunderstanding. As they say - the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Next time i just will keep my thoughts to myself.

[Finless]

Finless

1) Как я могу получить данный материал, если я не знаю английский язык и не понимаю, о чем вы здесь пишите?. Да и об вашей проблеме, можно просто написать, что Самая свежая версия находится на сайте freaktab.com или что-то типо такого. И человек сам решит откуда что ему качать.

1а) По вашей логике, если имеются 30 человек которые разрабатывают прошивки, то человек должен быть зарегистрирован везде, знать все 30 языков и разбираться во всем, для того чтобы попробовать их? А не проще собрать все прошивки в одном месте и на общедоступном языке обсуждать (сравнивать) их?

2). Ресурс narod.ru является бесплатным (нет премиум аккаунтов и т.д.) а так же имеет очень много локальных провайдеров. Сами провайдеры платят за то что иметь локальную связь с narod.ru (yandex.ru)

3) какой смысл нахождения здесь людей которые не знают и не понимают английский язык? или вам важно кол-во регистраций, а не нахождение реальных пользователей? Так давайте я вам лично зарегистрирую 100 человек или 200? сколько вам нужно ботов?..

Теперь вам понятны причины почему происходит такое?

Это не делает это ОК. Язык это не очень хорошая причина, чтобы украсть чью-то работу и положил его на сайтах обмена файлами! Я понимаю вашу точку, но это моя работа! Пожалуйста, уважайте то, что я прошу. Это не сложно для тех, пройти по ссылке, чтобы учетная запись, и скачать! Вы говорите, что вы не говорите по-английски пока вы здесь, с помощью учетной записи. Так что вы видите! Вполне возможно, и не может быть! Вы извините воровать не хорошо.

Я прошу, как человека с уважением. Пожалуйста, уважайте то, что я прошу.

боб