T428 Nexus Rom SDK2 and Multi-Windows - Official

[JugsteR]

Re: T428 Nexus Rom SDK2 and Multi-Windows - Official

if i play 1080 movies on nexus multiwindows my tvset info shows 720p 60 hrz so its not true 1080 i have a 1 year old lg flatscreen tv and my stick is cx-919 with stock 720p kernel i havent yet seen real 1080 on 720 kernel but i do like your rom

You and others that have stated this are wrong. Are you calling Strauzo a liar? Why would he say that you get true 1080p if that wasn't true. He created this ROM and he knows it best, right?

You now have two possibilities. You either read the above as it is the truth or you see the not so well hidden point I'm trying to make.

Advise to everybody: show humility, understanding and accept differences and we will all get along a lot better. There is not just one truth.

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[poul50]

You and others that have stated this are wrong. Are you calling Strauzo a liar? Why would he say that you get true 1080p if that wasn't true. He created this ROM and he knows it best, right?

You now have two possibilities. You either read the above as it is the truth or you see the not so well hidden point I'm trying to make.

Advise to everybody: show humility, understanding and accept differences and we will all get along a lot better. There is not just one truth.

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i am not calling anybody a liar and i like the nexus rom and belive strauzo is a very good developer and make fantastic software, but with my setup and havent heard of somebody getting true 1080p on 720 p kernel but it would be amazing with a system where output is depending on source

[jointherealms]

Not quite sure why we are comparing lewy20041's rom to this one here. Theres no need to put a devs work down if you prefur the work of another. On my mk908 im running lewy20041's rom as imo its the most stable for the mk908 but personally id prefur this rom as my 50in plasma is screaming in need of some multi window love

Im a bit of noob with these tv sticks im not gonna try flash different kernels etc. Would i be too rude to ask when or if you plan to bring this rom to the mk908strauzo?

Thanks

[gaetanolip]

i am not calling anybody a liar and i like the nexus rom and belive strauzo is a very good developer and make fantastic software, but with my setup and havent heard of somebody getting true 1080p on 720 p kernel but it would be amazing with a system where output is depending on source

I agree.
I am a noob and i wanna learn,please strauzo an friends explain us why we do not need 1080p kernel to see a real 1080p movie output ..,

[BigND]

True 1080p

I see that many people is confused about HD video resolutions. I'll try to explain. If ROM has 720p kernel and plays 1080p video, first of all it downscales it to 720p, then outputs it to TV. If ROM has the setting for output resolution to 1080p (which all modern TV have and as far as I remember Nexus ROM does not have) then video is upscaled once again. And it's not true 1080p because the video source is modified TWICE!
If ROM has 1080p kernel, then 1080p video is output to 1080p TV unchanged. That what I call true 1080p.
I watch the video from T428 on 50" plasma TV and 120" projector screen. The difference in picture quality with true and not true 1080p is HUGE!!!

Now about smoothness in videoplayback. I watch the same exact video files on Nexus and HFW ROMs with latest version of MX Pro. 1080i recordings of HDTV ts-files and BlueRay rips in mkv-files. Bitrates from 13-15 Mbits\sec and up. Files are played from LAN NAS over ethernet connection only (because Wi-Fi is too slow for them). With Nexus ROM picture jitters, stutters and skips frames all the time. HFW plays smoothely, almost flawlessly.

That's what I see and think. If someone thinks that Nexus ROM is better, well, I'm glad for them. For me the best ROM for T428 ATM s Lewy20041's HFW 1.2.1 and I tested all the ROMs available.

And guys, don't get me wrong! I don't want to offend Strauzo or put his work down. Not at all! He did a great work and some time ago Nexus ROM was the best. But right now it is outperformed. I just hope when Strauzo comes back from his vacations, he will make the best ROM again. That's all

[JugsteR]

There is a misunderstanding somewhere... Why would he say you get 1080P if it was upscaled from 720P. Can someone please explain this to me. Surely it must be known that true 1080P is not upscaled.

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[Guest]

I see that many people is confused about HD video resolutions. I'll try to explain. If ROM has 720p kernel and plays 1080p video, first of all it downscales it to 720p, then outputs it to TV. If ROM has the setting for output resolution to 1080p (which all modern TV have and as far as I remember Nexus ROM does not have) then video is upscaled once again. And it's not true 1080p because the video source is modified TWICE!
If ROM has 1080p kernel, then 1080p video is output to 1080p TV unchanged. That what I call true 1080p.
I watch the video from T428 on 50" plasma TV and 120" projector screen. The difference in picture quality with true and not true 1080p is HUGE!!!

Now about smoothness in videoplayback. I watch the same exact video files on Nexus and HFW ROMs with latest version of MX Pro. 1080i recordings of HDTV ts-files and BlueRay rips in mkv-files. Bitrates from 13-15 Mbits\sec and up. Files are played from LAN NAS over ethernet connection only (because Wi-Fi is too slow for them). With Nexus ROM picture jitters, stutters and skips frames all the time. HFW plays smoothely, almost flawlessly.

That's what I see and think. If someone thinks that Nexus ROM is better, well, I'm glad for them. For me the best ROM for T428 ATM s Lewy20041's HFW 1.2.1 and I tested all the ROMs available.

And guys, don't get me wrong! I don't want to offend Strauzo or put his work down. Not at all! He did a great work and some time ago Nexus ROM was the best. But right now it is outperformed. I just hope when Strauzo comes back from his vacations, he will make the best ROM again. That's all

You are wrong !

You are confusing the android ui resolution and the hdmi output that can be different from the android ui resolution.

With this words i don't say that any roms of rk3188 devices work well, as it should.

To understand my words (sorry for my bad english) get a good phone or tablet. We can use as example the samsung galaxy s 3.

Well the android ui resolution is 1280x720 and this don't mean that you can't see 1080p videos on your tv.

When you attach the galaxy s 3 to your tv via mhl adapter (the same thing with hdmi output of other devices), and you play a 1080p video, the video was played on your tv at 1080p because is sended to the hdmi transmitter / mhl output at 1080p

What happen on android hdmi sticks is completly wrong, because some chinese developers have confuse idea like how work hdmi output of an android device or is only a workaround to permit hdmi scaling because this devices in some tv can't scale well. (Or for copyright problems. Don't forget that many hdmi contents should be encripted. And chinese don't want pay for licenses of hdmi standards)

The hdmi transmitter is capable of different resolution. Usually 720p and 1080p and can change the output dinamically based on the source content.
The android device know what are the possible resolution of your tv via edid info, sended from tv via hdmi.

When you have a 720p or a 1080p kernel on your rk3188 hdmi stick, what change is only the resolution of the android ui. Get the app hardware info and check the resolution change.

All this mean that also an android hdmi stick like all other android device, can output 1080p videos to your tv also if you have a kernel 720p and an hdmi transmitter capable of 1080p (60fps i hope)

If you want a 1080p kernel for the Nexus rom you can download it from the first post of the experimental thread. But i suggest to use 720p kernel and correct malfunctions in kernel and rom.

If all we can forget chinese roms on this android hdmi sticks and tv box, we can have a serious and original android.
But unfortunally many rom developer work on chinese android rom instead to try with genuine android roms and this is the result.

China and Android are not friends, i don't know how to explain this. We have only one street to have good rom on our android hdmi sticks, the AOSP or Cyanogenmod. Now that the sdk1 was leaked i think it should be possible.

For now the Nexus rom is based on tablet roms with sdk2 that should be better of the sdk1. The tablet roms have less android source code modified respect to the stock rom of android hdmi stick. Are closest to an AOSP rom. For this reason i think that this rom is better and is more compatible with apps in google play.

The manual switch of hdmi output present in android hdmi sticks is a bestiality. And overclock of kernel of a quad core android hdmi sticks is used only from who is not good to optimize software.

Attention with overclock you will BURN

[BigND]

You are wrong !

You are confusing the android ui resolution and the hdmi output that can be different from the android ui resolution.
With this words i don't say that any roms of rk3188 devices work well, as it should.

To understand my words (sorry for my bad english) get a good phone or tablet. We can use as example the samsung galaxy s 3.
Well the android ui resolution is 1280x720 and this don't mean that you can't see 1080p videos on your tv.

When you attach the galaxy s 3 to your tv via mhl adapter (the same thing with hdmi output of other devices), and you play a 1080p video, the video was played on your tv at 1080p because is sended to the hdmi transmitter / mhl output at 1080p

What happen on android hdmi sticks is completly wrong, because some chinese developers have confuse idea like how work hdmi output of an android device or is only a workaround to permit hdmi scaling because this devices in some tv can't scale well.

I don't know about galaxy 3, but Nexus ROM on T428 outputs 1080p videos in 720p. Period. And it's not true 1080p.

[Guest]

I don't know about galaxy 3, but Nexus ROM on T428 outputs 1080p videos in 720p. Period. And it's not true 1080p.

Set in the init.d the bad manual output to 1080p 60fps and you have the same illusion of your other rom.

But this is not a solution is only a crap workaround. When an android device work well switch automatically the resolution on hdmi transmitter.

1080p kernel is only for NOOB but you can have this also on Nexus rom

Not only galaxy s 3 work in this way (as i explained) but all android devices in the world with hdmi output.

[JugsteR]

Re: T428 Nexus Rom SDK2 and Multi-Windows - Official

Set in the init.d the bad manual output to 1080p 60fps and you have the same illusion of your other rom.

But this is not a solution is only a crap workaround. When an android device work well switch automatically the resolution on hdmi transmitter.

1080p kernel is only for NOOB but you can have this also on Nexus rom

Not only galaxy s 3 work in this way (as i explained) but all android devices in the world with hdmi output.

Why do you say such uninformed things. 1080P is great when surfing the web. The difference in text rendering is huge. Please understand that people have different needs. Those people are not necessarily noobs or wrong.

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[Guest]

Why do you say such uninformed things. 1080P is great when surfing the web. The difference in text rendering is huge. Please understand that people have different needs. Those people are not necessarily noobs or wrong.

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We are speaking of video don't change the discussion.

720p for apps and ui is very very good. Some apps don't have so big 1080p images

People are uninformed because things kernel 1080p = video 1080p

And this is not true. The hdmi transmitter can output in different resolution based on the source content.

We must correct only how the kernel / rom switch between resolutions Like all other android devices.

The problems of android hdmi sticks are chinese rom.

[sam321]

Currently only the nexus rom have sdk2 and multiwindows. All other rom are based on old rockchip source and specially have many bugs inside because based on old chinese rom.

Not pure android = not compatible with many apps on google play and with google sdk.

All others rom are only stock chinese rom modificatins Nothing new.

The nexus rom have also the best video performances And is pure android.

What i thing about the pjAnderson kernel patch is:

This is not a correction but only a workaround in the kernel that reduce the video problem but create many others problems to the rom and instability on the kernel. Many usefull configuration , in rom development, can't be used if you have a kernel with this patch inside. This patch compromise also the future update of the manufactures.

The best solution for video problem is in the rom and work also with unmodified 720p and 1080p kernel.

The nexus rom have the best video performances on all players and also on xbmc and have an unmodified kernel.

For all other developers:
Why you use old rockchip stock rom as base if you can use sdk2 and also muktiwindows like me ?


On the nexus rom you can do all. Also hdmi zoom in / out

Is also the fastest rom. Test with antutu. but don't compare with overclocked kernel. You can burn your device

I find this post offensive to everyone that has worked hard on the roms and kernels, and put much time and effort into them. I also find that strauzo is obviously racist as being a good coder does not depend on your race or nationality. If I here one more word about droidmote I am going to scream. We all know why strauzo has got a problem with rockchip, it is because they took business away from droidmote with their RKRemoteControl app. Just get over your problem with the chinese already. The post that I am quoting is full of lies

ps To any Admins that read this strauzo edited his post , the first one was way more offensive

[Guest]

I find this post offensive to everyone that has worked hard on the roms and kernels, and put much time and effort into them. I also find that strauzo is obviously racist as being a good coder does not depend on your race or nationality. If I here one more word about droidmote I am going to scream. We all know why strauzo has got a problem with rockchip, it is because they took business away from droidmote with their RKRemoteControl app. Just get over your problem with the chinese already. The post that I am quoting is full of lies

You are the inventor of OVERCLOCK ON ANDROID HDMI STICKS

I undestand why you write nosense.

We are speaking of video, i already explained in other posts how rkremote ruine other things.

Droidmote is not my problem Is a problem of the developer of DroidMote. And for what i know it work very well in every android device tested by me.

Not only in rockchip devices.

What i explain, is what in chinese roms are not good. And what ruine and will ruine your android experience.

There are many sellers / manufactures of android hdmi sticks in this forum. This is the my real problem.

Can i express my opinion ? The users are not stupid. If i write nosense the user understand.

But i think that i write only true fact. Also if this fact are not good for developers friend of sellers.

[sam321]

You are the inventor of OVERCLOCK ON ANDROID HDMI STICKS

I undestand why you write nosense.

We are speaking of video, i already explained in other posts how rkremote ruine other things.

Droidmote is not my problem Is a problem of the developer of DroidMote. And for what i know it work very well in every android device tested by me.

Not only in rockchip devices.

What i explain, is what in chinese roms are not good. And what ruine and will ruine your android experience.

I am not offended about you pulling down my code , I warn people myself to be careful . I am disgusted that you are pulling down everyone elses work, lets face it you cannot be that good strauzo as it only took me about five minuits to solve the screenscaling issue that you could not resolve in months

[BigND]

Well, I guess Strauzo is using T428 on 17" HD ready monitor. In this case even SD video looks good.
But on big screens the difference between 720p and 1080p is huge.