Pipo RK3288 Tablets: Discussion

[yalok]

Well, we have to see yet how much stuttering is there during multitasking and during what kind of multitasking. So long, I've read some reviews reporting that everything is butter smooth.
But the heating issue is a serious one(for gamers), if it will not be fixed, probably underclocking will be a solution, or just not play games(also depends on how intensive on gpu resources is a game) for a long time (I'm not going to play games on it anyway, so this won't be an issue).
So, to sum it up, no unacceptable issues for me yet.

Cube talk 9x lacks hdmi output, which I want to use to playback full hd and maybe 4k video in near future .
Maybe I'll use pipo p1 as a pc replacement in future, when a linux distro will be build for rk3288, as was done for rk3188.

UPDATE:
Some people reported that they didn't notice any heating issues after playing games even for long time. Maybe it's just a small spot that heats up, so it's not that easily noticeable, unless searched on purpose.

[giouncino]

Well, we have to see yet how much stuttering is there during multitasking and during what kind of multitasking. So long, I've read some reviews reporting that everything is butter smooth.
But the heating issue is a serious one(for gamers), if it will not be fixed, probably underclocking will be a solution, or just not play games(also depends on how intensive on gpu resources is a game) for a long time (I'm not going to play games on it anyway, so this won't be an issue).
So, to sum it up, no unacceptable issues for me yet.

Cube talk 9x lacks hdmi output, which I want to use to playback full hd and maybe 4k video in near future .
Maybe I'll use pipo p1 as a pc replacement in future, when a linux distro will be build for rk3288, as was done for rk3188.

UPDATE:
Some people reported that they didn't notice any heating issues after playing games even for long time. Maybe it's just a small spot that heats up, so it's not that easily noticeable, unless searched on purpose.

I get your point!
I'm not a gamer with the tablet too so heating in games is not an issue.
RK3288 seem promising (allwinner A80 seems even better though).
I use the tablet for playing movies too, I use a miracast dongle to connect the tablet instead of HDMI, is a lot more confortable in my opinion. (of course, have the HDMI too is a good thing)

For my tablet use, battery duration has first importance, strong 3G and wifi connection is second, and low weight is third with general fluidity.
For my personal use the cube is a lot better.
I've struggle too much with poor antennas (wi-fi and 3G) of pipo tablets and awful and not competent support of Anna. I really don't know if cube is better, I can only hope this!

Pipo doesn't merit my money this time...(for my personal experience)

Again, do you know if deep sleep works out of the box?
Till now NONE of the pipo tablets with 3G have deep sleep working by default. I asked many times to Anna the purpose of this choice without receiving any technical anwer...

[yalok]

Again, do you know if deep sleep works out of the box?
Till now NONE of the pipo tablets with 3G have deep sleep working by default. I asked many times to Anna the purpose of this choice without receiving any technical anwer...

From what I have read, just Wi-Fi version is in stock. 3G version is yet to be produced or hasn't been shipped to anyone yet.

[giouncino]

From what I have read, just Wi-Fi version is in stock. 3G version is yet to be produced or hasn't been shipped to anyone yet.

This is another reason why I'm not interested on P1....

[valerima]

Switch to Cube 9x

This is another reason why I'm not interested on P1....

Hi, looks, I also keen to switch to Cube or Teclast .
Could you share the purchase link.
I did not see a lot on **** which I would prefer...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cube-Talk-9X-U65GT-MT8392-Octa-Core-2-0GHz-Tablet-PC-9-7-inch-3G-Phone/1881742165.html

Pipo P1 has multiwindow.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2765392&page=9

[valerima]

Hi, looks, I also keen to switch to Cube or Teclast .
Could you share the purchase link.
I did not see a lot on **** which I would prefer...

http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cube-Talk-9X-U65GT-MT8392-Octa-Core-2-0GHz-Tablet-PC-9-7-inch-3G-Phone/1881742165.html

Pipo P1 has multiwindow.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...2765392&page=9

http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/the-pipo-p1-is-a-rockchip-3288-monster/

Can the Cube Talk 9X do Multi Windows like this, as well?


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mikecane
June 24, 2014 at 9:27 pm
No. This feature is exclusive to Rockchip-based tablets.

[giouncino]

http://mikecanex.wordpress.com/2014/...-3288-monster/


Can the Cube Talk 9X do Multi Windows like this, as well?


Reply
mikecane
June 24, 2014 at 9:27 pm
No. This feature is exclusive to Rockchip-based tablets.

no the cube cannot, about pure horsepower Pipo P1 is faster for sure.

[androider]

why so negative

Iám reading on this forum quit a while,and someting makes me give this reaction.

Giouncino why are you so negative about the new PIpo p1 ?

First of all do you own a Pipo p1 ? so you can state your writing with facts ?

So all I have read from you is just what you picked up somewhere on the internet not you own experiance.

And even this people are using sort of revieuws made by people with a kind of interrest.

Ok What I realy are waiting for is a real USER comment about this tablet.
For now we have to wait as this tablet is not on the market world wide,at least not in Europe.

What I have seen looks good so why not give this new tablet a chance to proof itself ?

Further someone says the original Pipo rom sucks but why ? please explane,
not everyone is interrested in playing games that drives a tablet to the limit , and who is playing such a game and on the same time uses the multi task option.

Iám happy to read about the first user and what he is thinking about it to get a clear picture if I buy it or not,or buy a Samsung twice the price with less options.

By the way even Mike Cane uses pictures from someone else to make his kind of revieuw and without using the tablet himself.


Cheers to you all,

[giouncino]

Iám reading on this forum quit a while,and someting makes me give this reaction.

Giouncino why are you so negative about the new PIpo p1 ?

First of all do you own a Pipo p1 ? so you can state your writing with facts ?

So all I have read from you is just what you picked up somewhere on the internet not you own experiance.

And even this people are using sort of revieuws made by people with a kind of interrest.

Ok What I realy are waiting for is a real USER comment about this tablet.
For now we have to wait as this tablet is not on the market world wide,at least not in Europe.

What I have seen looks good so why not give this new tablet a chance to proof itself ?

Further someone says the original Pipo rom sucks but why ? please explane,
not everyone is interrested in playing games that drives a tablet to the limit , and who is playing such a game and on the same time uses the multi task option.

Iám happy to read about the first user and what he is thinking about it to get a clear picture if I buy it or not,or buy a Samsung twice the price with less options.

By the way even Mike Cane uses pictures from someone else to make his kind of revieuw and without using the tablet himself.


Cheers to you all,

read my comment #30:

"1 - on previous page of this thread, user chanverlao wrote:

But the official ROM of P1 is very bad like most ROMs of PIPO other tablet's devices, especially at multitasking. "
This is a comment of a user that has its own P1.

Furthermore, all I said is based on my experience on MY OWN pipo m6pro and associated problems:
bad antennas (HW problems), deep sleep NEVER working on stock roms, instability for ALL JB versions, awful support.
In my opinion, I've got enough of this brand.
Obviously you can do whatevere you prefer...
This is only my bad experience. I think there are many good alternatives in the market now.

[androider]

wait for ,pre revieuws

Hello Giouncino,

Well this is only one small line this user posted he does not say what exactly is wrong with the rom.
Look as I have said before maybe he tested playing a very heavy game and multi tasking at the same time to the max.

Sorry but you are comparing your pipo m6 pro with this new tablet pipo p1 is like comparing apples and pears.

And yes instability on JB was a isue that is correct but more tablets had this problem at the beginning, for my tablet 3 times a new version came out before all was smooth , and no that was no Pippo.

The tablet you was promoting here did not reach the promises aswell if you believe Mike Cane.

Just wait and see for some more users and what they think about it.

Here in my area you can only pre order and there is no date is becomes available.

Maybe you can contribute some positive info as what is right now the best 9.7 inch tablet in your opinion?


Cheers

[giouncino]

Hello Giouncino,

Well this is only one small line this user posted he does not say what exactly is wrong with the rom.
Look as I have said before maybe he tested playing a very heavy game and multi tasking at the same time to the max.

Sorry but you are comparing your pipo m6 pro with this new tablet pipo p1 is like comparing apples and pears.

And yes instability on JB was a isue that is correct but more tablets had this problem at the beginning, for my tablet 3 times a new version came out before all was smooth , and no that was no Pippo.

The tablet you was promoting here did not reach the promises aswell if you believe Mike Cane.

Just wait and see for some more users and what they think about it.

Here in my area you can only pre order and there is no date is becomes available.

Maybe you can contribute some positive info as what is right now the best 9.7 inch tablet in your opinion?


Cheers

First of all I'm not promoting anything. I'm simply interested on cube talk 9x for some features that it has.
Comparing 2 tablets of the same brands it's correct because the general brand behaviour (i.e. deep sleep disabled) is common between ALL Pipo models.
Other than that I'm simply saying that I'm not totally happy of my m6pro tablet.
Pipo could have improved some aspect of m6pro on P1 but size and display are exactly the same...and I don't like NOW anymore these aspects, some competitors have better solutions.

You are right that the user that have the P1 wrote too less to understand if P1 is a good tablet or not.

One of the most isteresting tablet seems to be the Teclast P97 air equipped with Allwinner A80 and IGZO display. But there are no experiences now on Allwinner A80 and not enough details of the complete spec of this teclast.
If you do not need a tablet immediately I can suggest you to wait for some teclast reviews, if you want a tablet now in my opinion the best choises are:

cube talk 9x for IGZO display, long lasting battery, very fast 3g (21Mb donwload) and reasonable general performance.

teclast x98 3G for extremely fast CPU (one of the fastest with retina display) but with fast battery drain

Pipo P1 and in general RK3288 tablets are not mature enough at the moment for me. I do not want to be a beta tester again...Multi window is an interesting future but not essential for a good tablet.

[rrileypm]

Be patient. Remember last year and the way Pipo models trickled out with the RK3188 chips.

First, the M6, M9...then the M8 Pro. They were great tablets, with lower screen resolutions. I'm still very happy with the performance of my M8 Pro, but support of the early RK3188's fell by the wayside to make room for those Pro versions. At least we know that there were several PCB versions of the M9, which has caused firmware update problems (people flashing incompatible ROM's on the earlier PCB's). It seemed like the PCB's were changing as fast as the firmware was.

Then the retina versions came out...M9 Pro, M6 Pro, M7 Pro..etc. The higher resolutions are pretty to look at, but because of the increased power demand...caused decreased performance (gaming especially) and crappy battery life. Some users employed the deep sleep fix only to find that returning from deep sleep crashes the tablet...which is the reason Pipo disabled the feature in the first place. Then, around December, Pipo teased us with a taste of KitKat...initially saying it was only for extreme users and testers...not for daily use. Rightfully so, because early versions had some major bugs...no 3G, no GPS, camera problems, wifi and bluetooth issues and even faster battery drain. They eventually got most things working...but not everything...and now, even KK development has stopped on the 3188's.

Their mistake was switching their efforts away from perfecting their original Jellybean firmware to providing only KitKat updates. I kind of wished we had at least a 100% working Jellybean...but everyone wanted KitKat...so they got it.

All of that happened in the course of a 1 year product cycle.

Now we have RK3288's looming...but not yet available.

I would hope that Pipo took a look at last year's chain of events and made steps to prevent all of the confusion. But until some early adopters start reporting their experiences with these new devices, I remain skeptical.

For the sake of RileyROM development, I'm considering becoming one of those early adopters...and plan on trying a P1 soon. However, I'm a little bit anxious about purchasing a device that will become obsolete as soon as Pipo changes the PCB design to fix a mistake in the first batch. It's a gamble.

I've offered to be a tester for Pipo if they would send me a sample. I would welcome it with open arms, and write a detailed review of my findings here on FT. But I've only been offered a discount...which is still quite an investment on an already expensive hobby. So I'm taking a conservative approach...waiting and watching before I make my decision.

Thanks for all of the information shared here...it's a very valuable discussion (That's why I started this thread in the first place). But until someone actually has a P1 or P8 in hand, we are just purely speculating.

[giouncino]

Randy, as you can say, PIPO left works unfinished on RK3188 so why should I give them a third chance? I'm disappointed about m6pro firmware for: lack of miracast function, lack of GPS sensitivity, lack of deep sleep, slow boot time. They only reached the stability (good thing but with a long struggle...I paid the tablet immediately, not after 7 months!!!!).

Then I give them a second chance and I bought the PIPO X5 miracast dongle, what I can say about that: practically an unusable device, so full of bugs that I left it unused for 1 month, when I powered on last time it totally stopped working. Now I've trashed it, my worst bought ever...

Anna Ye support has been ALWAYS TOTALLY USELESS TO ME.

And now a third chance, but why?
The only 2 really interesting things of Pipo P1 that I've seen untill now are: lightning fast boot time and multiwindows.
Everthing else that is known at the moment (battery duration, display, shape and weight) are EXACTLY the same of my m6pro.

I can only say that there are good alternatives now on the market, with good stability out of the box!

That's why I'm selling my m6pro too!

[rrileypm]

Giouncino, I just hope you decide on a product we support here on FT...it's cool having you around. You've made great work on your patched kernels for the M6 Pro. They have made a huge difference for the lucky ones.

Cube makes a solid tablet...and my friend and mentor 900Supersport is making some great custom ROM's for Cube's.

While my iFive devices are very nice and solid, (I have the Mini 3 Retina, and Mini 3GS)...they aren't as custom friendly as the Pipo's. I can make a Pipo ROM, and it JUST WORKS...the iFive ROM's offer some headaches....but they are good tablets. Side by side, the 3GS version with the MTK Octa-core kicks the RK3188's ass...but mine also really drains battery juice rather quickly.

My next tablet will have a bigger screen, though. I now have 3 iPad Mini size tablets...which are too small. The Pipo M7 Pro is about the right size...but I'm thinking 9.7" this time. I know that the M8 Pro was an odd size at 9.4"...but it's still my favorite. I guess they don't make retina screens in that size, now.

[giouncino]

Thank you for your words Randy.

I'm only use and want to stay on 9.7" and retina display.
I'm evaluating only this size and resolution...