WeTek Play - AML-8726 MX

[stane1983]

Oh please Wetek do shit. WHat they made? NOTHING. Everything they use is made by someone else years ago. Im not saying Vigica is better just saying that everything WETEK uses is opensource.
Not first time when china uses opensource but hides the sources.

Have you actually seen at least one wetek review and compared it to other chinese boxes who just adopt pure amlogic sdk for their box and sell it?

Everything that is supposed to be open source is.

[GuRu]

They do Nothing.. so why you want to port their sw to your Vigica

it`s true

to iam Amigo, try spark2 or use Vigica feces. don't touch WeTek, WeTek is the Best!

[ChristianTroy]

Hate when ****ers in china use openSource and makes it closed source. People creating opensource projects for years and here comes china, copy all and then ask money for it

me too have vigica which is the same Wetek and i want to use Wetek soft which is NOT theirs on vigica. Will try my best to make it work

Most people don't understand that Android license is Apache that allows to modify the code without redistributing it (otherwise Sammy should release Touchwiz code, not that I want it / HTC should release Sense code, etc.). People at big G made it that way otherwise any manufacturer would have taken Android seriously if all their work could be forked and "stolen".

Regarding WeTek, as already mentioned the OE code is on codesnake and official OE repos, and the Android kernel sources are here, that is the code that has to be released to fulfill the GPL license.

Not to mention, speaking of OE, that if other Amlogic devices (even competitors) can have it running is because of codesnake's work

There's people that forks XBMC, make changes on it, put it on their device and never releases the modified code. And XBMC/Kodi is licensed under GPL terms...

[stane1983]

Most people don't understand that Android license is Apache that allows to modify the code without redistributing it (otherwise Sammy should release Touchwiz code, not that I want it / HTC should release Sense code, etc.). People at big G made it that way otherwise any manufacturer would have taken Android seriously if all their work could be forked and "stolen".

Regarding WeTek, as already mentioned the OE code is on codesnake and official OE repos, and the Android kernel sources are here, that is the code that has to be released to fulfill the GPL license.

Not to mention, speaking of OE, that if other Amlogic devices (even competitors) can have it running is because of codesnake's work

There's people that forks XBMC, make changes on it, put it on their device and never releases the modified code. And XBMC/Kodi is licensed under GPL terms...

Exactly what I wanted to say. You guys did great job, have one of best if not best support for your product.

For everyone else: It's not all about new SoCs

[iam]

Most people don't understand that Android license is Apache that allows to modify the code without redistributing it (otherwise Sammy should release Touchwiz code, not that I want it / HTC should release Sense code, etc.). People at big G made it that way otherwise any manufacturer would have taken Android seriously if all their work could be forked and "stolen".

Regarding WeTek, as already mentioned the OE code is on codesnake and official OE repos, and the Android kernel sources are here, that is the code that has to be released to fulfill the GPL license.

Not to mention, speaking of OE, that if other Amlogic devices (even competitors) can have it running is because of codesnake's work

There's people that forks XBMC, make changes on it, put it on their device and never releases the modified code. And XBMC/Kodi is licensed under GPL terms...

we not talking here about android, android as it self is useless. We talk about all the rest. android we can download without any problem.
Anyways my point is heard. Don't see why we should spam this topic with this. WHat WeTek have in hardware that it is soo awesome? Who can tell? The hardware is a joke in this device and others like it.

Also mr. GuRu sells compiled firmware in his website for money. Since when GuRu owns the code? I myself developer, but Windows, and i agree-that people who work to fix code have to be paid, but not like this. I know that in russia no laws, country ruled by another Lenin, but this code was created by Western world, russia can make their own and sell.

[ChristianTroy]

So what's not been released? I'm curious, what GPL code is WeTek violating?

[GuRu]

Also mr. GuRu sells compiled firmware in his website for money. Since when GuRu owns the code? I myself developer, but Windows, and i agree-that people who work to fix code have to be paid, but not like this. I know that in russia no laws, country ruled by another Lenin, but this code was created by Western world, russia can make their own and sell.

Amigo
1. my soft has no relation to Wetek.
2. This is my modified assembly Android, for a nominal fee
3. I am from Ukraine and we are almost in Europe because very want to eat!
4. Yankee go home
5. For these poor Westerners like you on my website and have tax free version, the fee is taken only for the deluxe version. If you did not understand.
6. By the way, from your Vigica software does not work on other such devices. as an example VS-IP015 AND WEYEK PLAY, VS-IP0166.
My work at all. and openelec from Vitaly_S also works on all devices and he is from Russia.
7. About history is you from the West, namely from Germany in a sealed train brought us Lennin and agitation to overthrow the Romanov Royal Family. And we shoveled a lot of years. Thanks to Stalin.

Your problem is familiar to me, can not you just admit it, bought the small stuff. I also bought in 2013 VS-IP015 in China, but admitted his mistake and completed the to the level that suits me, shared with others, and away we go ...
And you still only cry, be a man and admit it and decide not to blame others!
Work, work, work ... as bequeathed Lenini!

[iam]

4. Yankee go home

Yankee? man..i hate usa. And i have nothing on Ukraine, i dont like russia, but not ukraine. Anyways, i dont want to spam this thread.

WHat GPL violates? all. where is the firmware sources? I want to compile it and use on other devices
Do Wetek wrote drivers? i doubt it, do wetek created bunch of rest of stuff they use? No.
I agree Wetek is better, and if cost 15euros less-i would buy it instead of vigica

PS GuRu - i like your website and i with love pay 5 euros for your work i saw you have something which is nice and maybe will be ok for Vigica c60s. FullHD firware.

[stane1983]

Yankee? man..i hate usa. And i have nothing on Ukraine, i dont like russia, but not ukraine. Anyways, i dont want to spam this thread.

WHat GPL violates? all. where is the firmware sources? I want to compile it and use on other devices
Do Wetek wrote drivers? i doubt it, do wetek created bunch of rest of stuff they use? No.
I agree Wetek is better, and if cost 15euros less-i would buy it instead of vigica

PS GuRu - i like your website and i with love pay 5 euros for your work i saw you have something which is nice and maybe will be ok for Vigica c60s. FullHD firware.

You just don't get it, do you? Like Christian said, do you think you can ask and get Samsung or HTC or Sony full Android SDKs? No. You can get GPL parts which is mostly kernel and maybe some other stuff. Rest of it is their own property. Same goes for Amlogic. When you're becoming partner with Amlogic, it doesn't cost you anything, but you have to sign documents like SLA and NDA which forbids you to distribute parts of code which are not GPL. That includes all Amlogic applications, parts of framework and others that is not GPL and is not part of AOSP.

GPL releases (kernel, drivers, their Linux BSP - Buildroot based...) you can find on amlogic site: http://openlinux.amlogic.com:8000/download/

And yes, WeTek did pretty hard work rewriting DVB drivers to make it work in eg OpenELEC (tvheadend). That code is also available on repositories mentioned in earlier posts.

[ChristianTroy]

And I will say that if Android's code was GPL it would have never had the success it had because any company would have invested money for developing some code that could have been used by their competitors without spending a dime.

I think we're arguing on nothing here since the guy complains about the only Chinese SOC manufacturer that fulfills the GPL

Think about Rockchip or Mediatek, last year I went to the CES, talked to some guys at RK's booth, asked them why they weren't releasing kernel sources... they stopped talking to me

[stane1983]

And I will say that if Android's code was GPL it would have never had the success it had because any company would have invested money for developing some code that could have been used by their competitors without spending a dime.

I think we're arguing on nothing here since the guy complains about the only Chinese SOC manufacturer that fulfills the GPL

Think about Rockchip or Mediatek, last year I went to the CES, talked to some guys at RK's booth, asked them why they weren't releasing kernel sources... they stopped talking to me

Related to kernel sources, I'm not sure how far that will go, but some initial support for aml mx is present in mainline 3.18 (Geniatech atv1800 i think) and some more SoCs are added in 3.19. See here:

http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/09/linux-3-19-release-main-changes-arm-and-mips-architectures/

[ChristianTroy]

Yes I noticed some of that stuff the other day when I built that kernel on my HTPC to get support for my DVBSky card, while doing a "make oldconfig" I was prompted with CONFIG_ANDROID and when looking into arch/arm I saw something but didn't really dig into it.

That would be really awesome if, at some point, the arm socs will be included in the mainline kernel and you'd only need a dtb (even compiled in dtd) file (practically comparable to a firmware for the motherboard)... something like building a kernel for a regular pc where you only have to include the correct drivers.

Of course the manufacturer should update and take care of most of the things like AMD and, specially, Intel are doing (just think that Intel adds chipset / cpu / gpu driver support months before they're going to release the new products! Like the HEVC support for Skylake cpus added on mesa in december).

Intel rocks, nothing to say about them... bein a Linux user I wish that many other manufacturers would be like them...

[iam]

OFFTOPIC but:

Linux is and always was for geeks who don't have what to do just spend hours to make things work. That's why many manufacturers and users still avoid linux.

Im programmer i write Windows applications, so i think im not new to computers, BUT when linux (i tried soo many times to love it) dont allow you to use sound card (only when im root), when linux doesn't mount my drives automatically... it just makes linux look stupid. Linux not good for regular desktop user. It's too complicated. So many problems with using linux. Looks like once you configured your linux good -you should do backup for future cause it takes ages to do that
Yes linux flexible for developers/system admins, but sucks at rest. It's a 21th century but most of stuff in linux is done via command line
It's funny when people say Windows is not free so go for linux. I never ever paid for windows and using it 15 years. Windows worth paying anyways, saves years of your time. Of course if you grew up with linux - you will never want to use windows. I guess the same applies for win users.

[stane1983]

OFFTOPIC but:

Linux is and always was for geeks who don't have what to do just spend hours to make things work. That's why many manufacturers and users still avoid linux.

Im programmer i write Windows applications, so i think im not new to computers, BUT when linux (i tried soo many times to love it) dont allow you to use sound card (only when im root), when linux doesn't mount my drives automatically... it just makes linux look stupid. Linux not good for regular desktop user. It's too complicated. So many problems with using linux. Looks like once you configured your linux good -you should do backup for future cause it takes ages to do that
Yes linux flexible for developers/system admins, but sucks at rest. It's a 21th century but most of stuff in linux is done via command line
It's funny when people say Windows is not free so go for linux. I never ever paid for windows and using it 15 years. Windows worth paying anyways, saves years of your time. Of course if you grew up with linux - you will never want to use windows. I guess the same applies for win users.

Sorry man, but when was last time you tried any Debian or even RHEL based linux distribution?

My developing also started for DOS and later for Windows systems. 4 years ago I switched to Android and embedded Linux development and in that period I decided to install Ubuntu. Never taught of switching back to Windows and using it as client to connect to my build machine (ssh). Only change I did is switch from Ubuntu to Debian. And both mentioned Linux distros are easy to install and easy to use. If you need any Windows app that doesn't exist on linux, you can try running it with Wine (ok, that requires some skills, but 30 mins of reading and you'll figure it out) - as an example I use QQ International IM app.

[RISCy Dude]

Sorry man, but when was last time you tried any Debian or even RHEL based linux distribution?

My developing also started for DOS and later for Windows systems. 4 years ago I switched to Android and embedded Linux development and in that period I decided to install Ubuntu. Never taught of switching back to Windows and using it as client to connect to my build machine (ssh). Only change I did is switch from Ubuntu to Debian. And both mentioned Linux distros are easy to install and easy to use. If you need any Windows app that doesn't exist on linux, you can try running it with Wine (ok, that requires some skills, but 30 mins of reading and you'll figure it out) - as an example I use QQ International IM app.

I too am a little curious, as many Linux distros will auto-mount HDs. Command line isn't required to get a good general user experience, most things can be done in GUI. I am not fluent in command line ops, and I very much enjoy using Linux. I'll admit I have become a distro junkie, so for now, I cannot name a favoriite.
But I favor a few of the Live ones to play with. For example kWheezy. For me and an old dual core AMD 64, 2GB, everything works. Linux has made a lot of progress in the last few years, it's moving closer to mainstream everyday. The will always be a bit of a learning curve when using something new or switching platforms. For those who can barely send/receice an email, Linux may not be right for them. However, based on the number of calls I get from some of my geriactric clients, Windows isn't right for them either.
To each his own, I suppose.