T428 Study and Research on Experimental Firmwares

[Guest]

Holding us as hostages has created this problem, did you really think that Rockchip would listen to your demands ??

This could have been easily resolved if everyone worked together, instead of a one droid negotiation with the end users as your captives . . .

well ok. as you want. i can also stop work. is hard to me to explain and i don't earn nothing.

i not like to be accused after so much work.

now you have the nexus sdk2 multi-windows and only an android 4.3 ca be better.

good luck to all. and from this moment coplain only with Rockchip.

strauzo retires.

The problem of this forum is that under anonymous nick name there are many seller of android hdmi sticks. That don't know nothing of Android. Most are those who accuse me.

Instead normal users, want only good roms and don't complain. i know this very well when a user is a seller. Or not good Rockchip developers.

I retires cause only 6 or 7 anonymous users / seller

But my work is downloaded by thousand of real users.

[BillMaudit]

strauzo retires.

What a relief !

[leolas]

Please, lets keep calm, I think strauzo makes a good work with the roms he did, and he try to force Rockchip a reaction, a lot of peple here like Bob said him that rockchip will not answer him. But I am sure that his intentions was good, I am not agree with him on this crusade, cause the users suffer the bad support of rockchip and come here searching for the suport that Rockchip must give.
In other words, I am not agree with how he make it, but I am sure that he want to help, in fact he is the first one that got multiwindos working in this sticks. So please, lets keep calm and if someone is not interested in his work, there are some people who indeed are.

leolas

[Guest]

Please, lets keep calm, I think strauzo makes a good work with the roms he did, and he try to force Rockchip a reaction, a lot of peple here like Bob said him that rockchip will not answer him. But I am sure that his intentions was good, I am not agree with him on this crusade, cause the users suffer the bad support of rockchip and come here searching for the suport that Rockchip must give.
In other words, I am not agree with how he make it, but I am sure that he want to help, in fact he is the first one that got multiwindos working in this sticks. So please, lets keep calm and if someone is not interested in his work, there are some people who indeed are.

leolas

Thanks. Only the last clarification: i'm was the first in many things

First Linux kernel with wifi working
First 1080p kernel for rk3188 android hdmi sticks
Video fix
First SDk2 on android hdmi sticks
First multi-windows

but mainly the first without bad rockchip rom full of patch and bug.

from others we had only words and insults.

thanks to all friends. anonymously will help you.

And ATTENTION:

The NEXUS SDK2 MULTI-WINDOWS is a very good rom it have also:

widevine drm (work netflix and all other future services like netflix)
bravia engine with optimization of videos and photo
many modules
and all recents changes to the sdk2
PhabletUI & Multi-User & Multi-Window (enable / disable in build.prop)

[poul50]

Thanks. Only the last clarification: i'm was the first in many things

First Linux kernel with wifi working
First 1080p kernel for rk3188 android hdmi sticks
Video fix
First SDk2 on android hdmi sticks
First multi-windows

but mainly the first without bad rockchip rom full of patch and bug.

from others we had only words and insults.

thanks to all friends. anonymously will help you.

And ATTENTION:

The NEXUS SDK2 MULTI-WINDOWS is a very good rom it have also:

widevine drm (work netflix and all other future services like netflix)
bravia engine with optimization of videos and photo
many modules
and all recents changes to the sdk2

sorry to hear you retire, because of disagreements with other users, think you have done a great job for the community, and with nexus rom, but i can understand their fustration, with you not sharing open source codes, for me it never the less not important ,because i dont know what to do with source kodes ,only thing i can offer is testing .... seems like that shoting at you is easier than on rockchip and sellers

[JugsteR]

because this don't solve nothing. We need the help of rockchip to have good / many corrections in the kernel source code, and the documentations and the basic component to make also other roms like cyanogenmod or aosp rom on this rk3188 devices.

Of course it solves some things. I don't believe that you really believe what you are writing. Surely more eyes on a problem can solve more problems. At least, that is my experience after working more than 10 years in the development business. I could be wrong, but I seldom am.

Clearly you must understand by now that Rockchip is not going to help any of us. They supply us with hardware and sdk, nothing more.

I regret for you to stop developing publically for RK3188, but perhaps that is the only way to go. The proper thing to do however, would be to create a github account with all the code you have created up until now, since anything else than that is violating the GPL. What you do privately is your own business though.

I think that in a few years you will come to regret your choices when you have some more experience. Who would want to be remembered as a pioneer RK3188 developer and a GPL violator? Not me.

[JugsteR]

sorry to hear you retire, because of disagreements with other users, think you have done a great job for the community, and with nexus rom, but i can understand their fustration, with you not sharing open source codes, for me it never the less not important ,because i dont know what to do with source kodes ,only thing i can offer is testing .... seems like that shoting at you is easier than on rockchip and sellers

It is always easier to shoot someone down when they tell you if they've been hit. Rockchip offers silence, Strauzo tries to argue that his actions are either not illegal or in some other way justified. All these reactions are bad.

Just do the correct thing from the beginning and everyone is happy. I do agree that he has contributed a lot of things, just not the source which is the most important one to me and seemingly a few others too.

[Guest]

If the solution is in the rom and not in the kernel. what is my gpl violation ?

what you talking about ?

words words and only words. work instead of write nonsense.

i know where is the problem and i can bypass it. i don't violate nothing. i can do this with kernel configuration and also only inside the rom.

the rom is closed source, android is open source and the bad Rockchip don't share nothing.

and i violate gpl ? you are crazy.

do you understand now ?

my only problem is that i can't explain well in english. do you understand this fact ?

it is easier for you to attack me. because i can't answer well.

[JugsteR]

If the solution is in the rom and not in the kernel. what is my gpl violation ?

what you talking about ?

words words and only words. work instead of write nonsense.

i know where is the problem and i can bypass it. i don't violate nothing. i can do this with kernel configuration and also only inside the rom.

If the solution is not in the kernel, then I have no problems with GPL.
Edit: If the code is not in any part that GPL applies to, is what I mean to say.
Do you now deny you have published a kernel with the solution?

What I am saying is that if you have published a kernel with a solution, you should publish that work. Anything else is a violation of GPL, just ask anyone that knows about these things.

Yes, I offer words, because I do not have your rom/kernel development skills. If I did, I'd do all the work and then show you how it was done so that you could improve it. Cleaerly we solve problems differently. Different is not wrong though, unless it is illegal.

[Guest]

If the solution is not in the kernel, then I have no problems with GPL.
Do you now deny you have published a kernel with the solution?

What I am saying is that if you have published a kernel with a solution, you should publish that work. Anything else is a violation of GPL, just ask anyone that knows about these things.

Yes, I offer words, because I do not have your rom/kernel development skills. If I did, I'd do all the work and then show you how it was done so that you could improve it. Cleaerly we solve problems differently. Different is not wrong though, unless it is illegal.

ONLY CONFIGURATION NOT KERNEL MODIFICATION
NO GPL VIOLATION
BUT THE BEST WORKAROUD IS IN THE NEXUS ROM

there are also hardware components that are not good
the hdmi transmitter have many problems
the electronic design of these devices is wrong
this is the whole truth

THE MAIN PROBLEM ARE CHINESE ROMS FULL OF PATCH AND BUG.
THE PATCH WITHOUT HAVING SOURCE CODE CAN ADD AN OPTION THAT RUINE MANY OTHER THINGS

Rockchip are working on a two new cpu, one dual core and another quad core WITH BETTER GPU because know that rk3188 is not good.

WITHOUT ROCKCHIP SHARING, THE BEST THAT YOU CAN DO WITH RK3188 IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH THE NEXUS ROM

[leolas]

Re: T428 Study and Research on Experimental Firmwares

I am not agree with shot anyone, All developers, not only here, in all forums I know, reject Rockchip way of work, first, they don't provide source code, and except one time (when they worked with xbcm Team with the libstagefrigh.so) never support or help developers.
Rockchip make the things bad, they release product with bugs.

leolas

[JugsteR]

ONLY CONFIGURATION NOT KERNEL MODIFICATION
NO GPL VIOLATION
BUT THE BEST WORKAROUD IS IN THE NEXUS ROM

there are also hardware components that are not good
the hdmi transmitter have many problems
the electronic design of these devices is wrong
this is the whole truth

Rockchip are working on a two new cpu, one dual core and another quad core because know that rk3188 is not good.

I modified the quote to not shout. I read small letters perfectly. Albeit with glasses, but that is due to my advanced age.

I am not attacking you as a person. I am attacking the actions you take, it is nothing personal. For all I know you're probably a fun guy privately.

Not sure which configuration you talk about, but if it is kernel configuration you talk about you need to read this: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html.

I seem to remember that you published a kernel some time ago that solved the stutter for many people. It was solved for those that flashed the android version that came with the sticks, and the finless roms and probably more, I don't remember. It was on this forum I read it, so if I had bothered searching I could probably find it.

If you now say this has not been done, a kernel fix has not been developed by you, then as far as I'm concerned there is no GPL violation. Unless the "other" changes also needs to be GPL compliant. If this is true, then you are clearly not in violation with GPL and I am very sorry for ever mentioning it.

There are other problems with the sticks, yes. How is that important to this discussion?

Few things in life are black or white, mostly it's just different shades of gray. Translated that means that one opinion is very seldom the only correct one. You make it appear as there is only one solution, droidmote being the shining example of that, but that is simply not true. That is just how _you_ think, not everyone else.

[Guest]

I modified the quote to not shout. I read small letters perfectly. Albeit with glasses, but that is due to my advanced age.

I am not attacking you as a person. I am attacking the actions you take, it is nothing personal. For all I know you're probably a fun guy privately.

Not sure which configuration you talk about, but if it is kernel configuration you talk about you need to read this: http://gpl-violations.org/faq/sourcecode-faq.html.

I seem to remember that you published a kernel some time ago that solved the stutter for many people. It was solved for those that flashed the android version that came with the sticks, and the finless roms and probably more, I don't remember. It was on this forum I read it, so if I had bothered searching I could probably find it.

If you now say this has not been done, a kernel fix has not been developed by you, then as far as I'm concerned there is no GPL violation. Unless the "other" changes also needs to be GPL compliant. If this is true, then you are clearly not in violation with GPL and I am very sorry for ever mentioning it.

There are other problems with the sticks, yes. How is that important to this discussion?

Few things in life are black or white, mostly it's just different shades of gray. Translated that means that one opinion is very seldom the only correct one. You make it appear as there is only one solution, droidmote being the shining example of that, but that is simply not true. That is just how _you_ think, not everyone else.

Yes i talk about kernel configuration.

I have always talked about a workaround, but never of a complete fix. which in my opinion also rockchip can't do.
About droidmote i only say that with DroidMote everything is easier, you can use it in any rom, you can do real indirect multitouch actions and in this way you can use rockchip multi-windows and all 99% android multi-touch apps, but you can use all that you want. this was only a suggestion.

I used also DroidMote as an excuse to show you that the input managment system of the chinese rom is modified and have bugs inside. (central button that work well in every rom of the universe and not in chinese rom)

[ave]

You've commented strauzo rockchip only sells hardware and software development is not interested because they want to bring a product to be perfect because the next stick that hits the market partly solve previous problems stick. An example is wifi problems that came the stick 3066 3088 dual core quad core now with their antennae have improved software Affairs and corrected.
I think the mistake is buying Rockchip products without development or future. For Rockchip policy change will only be possible when you go competition with another product from another company that also develops open source software for developers like you to modify and create a rom without bug.
But I think any company is stupid and knows that the benefit is to sell and being a low cost product that does not interest you bug out without improved products to sell.

[JugsteR]

I have always talked about a workaround, but never of a complete fix. which in my opinion also rockchip can't do.
About droidmote i only say that with DroidMote everything is easier, you can use it in any rom, you can do real indirect multitouch actions and in this way you can use rockchip multi-windows and all 99% android multi-touch apps, but you can use all that you want. this was only a suggestion.

I used also DroidMote as an excuse to show you that the input managment system of the chinese rom is modified and have bugs inside.

But what is the difference between a workaround and a fix when it comes to GPL?

I expect that since you know quite a bit about how droidmote works and should work that makes you a good person to spot those bugs.